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the question is, can jesus stain it beyond one night. >> in any number of areas what governor romney has done as he said laid, said last night he laid out the broad principles but now you have gotten specific about the good parts, the carrot youill and very vague about the stick. >> obama is brilliant in a speech, a peach is different than when you are in an argument and when you are in an argument if you don't bring passion to your argument the other side is generally going to win and what you say almost matters as much as how you say it, and the scary thing about politics is, substance aside, you know, a lot of the journalist whose know the substance on these issues are debating with themselves who was more accurate and who was not. when you listen to the person in the street, the voter, the juror who i speak to, they say i understood romney, i didn't understandbama i liked romney's style, i didn't like the president laying down. >> rose: we conclude this evening with barbara, a computer scientist and author, her book on voting heens is called broken ballots, will your vote count.
the question is, can jesus stain it beyond one night. >> in any number of areas what governor romney has done as he said laid, said last night he laid out the broad principles but now you have gotten specific about the good parts, the carrot youill and very vague about the stick. >> obama is brilliant in a speech, a peach is different than when you are in an argument and when you are in an argument if you don't bring passion to your argument the other side is generally going to win...
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>> brown: meanwhile, on the fox news channel last night, romney reversed course on his remark that 47% of americans don't pay taxes and, in his words, are dependent on government, so he couldn't worry about them and their votes. >> in this case, i said something that's just completely wrong. and absoluly believe, however, that my life has shown that i care about the 100% and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become president, it'll be about helping the 100%. >> brown: still, president obama was having none of it. >> from the day we began this campaign, we've always said that real change takes time. it takes more than one year or one term, or even one president. it takes more than one party. it certainly can't happen if you're willing to write off half the nation before you even take office. >> brown: with the economy dominating the campaign, and with 12 million americans still unemployed, it was clear the punching and counter-punching over jobs will only grow more intense. and there's still one more monthly employment report co
>> brown: meanwhile, on the fox news channel last night, romney reversed course on his remark that 47% of americans don't pay taxes and, in his words, are dependent on government, so he couldn't worry about them and their votes. >> in this case, i said something that's just completely wrong. and absoluly believe, however, that my life has shown that i care about the 100% and that has been demonstrated throughout my life. this whole campaign is about the 100%. when i become...
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>> yes, i mean i agree that this was mitt romney's night. he was punchier, crisper, president obama seemed tired. he was convoluted. the feedback i was getting from people viewing from their homes, frankly they were lost during the course of this debate. it strikes me as a really fine line between having a very serious economic policy debate which this certainly was, in which american voters say they wanted and the country certainly needs and making sure that you keep the voters engaged and that you make it comprehensible to voters. and i think again on that front, mitt romney did a better job than barack obama did and he has to go into that second debate stronger. because the consensus is here that he had a weak night. >> rose: al hunt, was this a good debate as debates go? >> i'm not sure how you judge that, charlie. i think it's up to the candidates to make it a good or bad debate and i think romney did a pretty good job and obama did a very poor job. show i guess that makes it a wash. i'm not sure about mike murphy's point about it being
>> yes, i mean i agree that this was mitt romney's night. he was punchier, crisper, president obama seemed tired. he was convoluted. the feedback i was getting from people viewing from their homes, frankly they were lost during the course of this debate. it strikes me as a really fine line between having a very serious economic policy debate which this certainly was, in which american voters say they wanted and the country certainly needs and making sure that you keep the voters engaged...
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let romney play offense all night. >> they have run a very good campaign thus far. i don't think president obama did what this campaign wanted him to do. let's not go overboard here. it will be like a big sort of push back. okay, fine. i understand. i'm saying, that in the same campaign, same guy that did this well leading up to it. my point is this. president obama came in to have a conversation. mitt romney came in with a chainsaw. trying to talk to a chainsaw. >> with all due respect -- no due respect. just say you what you have to say. >> fine. here is what i believe. president obama out on the campaign trail. run a good campaign, but speaking to the faithful and no one has challenged him. romney comes up and challenges him on every fact, every specific and most especially romney challenges him with facts and specifics on president obama's own record. did it very effectively. >> romney -- romney -- >> let's leave it there without due respect. this could be a big debate about romney's facts. >> can i say something -- >> obama had none. none. >> we watched mitt ro
let romney play offense all night. >> they have run a very good campaign thus far. i don't think president obama did what this campaign wanted him to do. let's not go overboard here. it will be like a big sort of push back. okay, fine. i understand. i'm saying, that in the same campaign, same guy that did this well leading up to it. my point is this. president obama came in to have a conversation. mitt romney came in with a chainsaw. trying to talk to a chainsaw. >> with all due...
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guess who uttered 500 more words than the president last night? mitt romney. we did the check. 7,890 words. obama, 7,354. it goes to the ideas and explains he was listless and a little bit, shall we say, he pondered a long time. >> we've seen him ponder a lot in the speeches. it was business consultant versus college professor. sort of harvard versus harvard. no question harvard business school versus harvard law school. no question that president obama showed his campaign has been doing the work for him and mitt romney has been doing the work for his campaign. we'll see what happens going forward. pout a question, the obama supporters were on their heels last night. were disappointed. wondering, where was this guy who they've been seeing in the tv commercials going so hard at mitt romney? he was clearly trying to be too presidential and not going after romney. >> we can't escape the fact. four of the last five incumbent presidents had lost the first debate. it's unbelievable. you have to say there is something to this. >> they're not used to being challenged
guess who uttered 500 more words than the president last night? mitt romney. we did the check. 7,890 words. obama, 7,354. it goes to the ideas and explains he was listless and a little bit, shall we say, he pondered a long time. >> we've seen him ponder a lot in the speeches. it was business consultant versus college professor. sort of harvard versus harvard. no question harvard business school versus harvard law school. no question that president obama showed his campaign has been doing...
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i thought on balance it was a good night for mitt romney. griewd what did you think about that, mark? >> i was amazed the 47% didn't come up. i think what we saw more than anything the rust from the president not having been in a debate, quite frankly, for four years. and i thought that mitt romney, the challenger always, with the president, gets an advantage, just by being tere on the same stage and beeb at least equal. i thought that romney did quite well in making his case. he seemed comfortable. he seemed confident. he didn't seem mean spirited. i was amazed the president didn't rebut the the $716 billion charge. it's a phony charge. it's been-- i mean, it's been fact checked after fact checked, and the president-- that's why i say the rust. i didn't think he counter-punched well. even though they were talking about issues that are the president's strengths. i mean i thought the president did better on education. i thought the president did better on medicare and when he put a personal face on it with his grandmother, the autistic family
i thought on balance it was a good night for mitt romney. griewd what did you think about that, mark? >> i was amazed the 47% didn't come up. i think what we saw more than anything the rust from the president not having been in a debate, quite frankly, for four years. and i thought that mitt romney, the challenger always, with the president, gets an advantage, just by being tere on the same stage and beeb at least equal. i thought that romney did quite well in making his case. he seemed...
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a lot of that happened for mitt romney last night. particularly can you sense what is happening in the real world and economy i have to live in? people walked away last night, got a plan and knows what is going on. melissa: carl, we've got to jump. thank you so much for your analysis. >> you bet. thank you. melissa: even the democrats said the president's performance last night was not up to par after all the spin began after the debate. i was glued to my twitter feed. democrats were instantly depressed watching it live. it was their raw reaction. we have mark hannah, former presidential aid to john kerry and thanks for joining us. i was particularly interested in responses real time before you get analysis who won and lost before people like myself pick out sound bites i wanted to see real time what people were thinking. you saw as we went along, we have democrats were getting a little depressed during the debate. what do you think?. >> i think democrats were definitely trying to cheer on the president. absolutely did we see us democ
a lot of that happened for mitt romney last night. particularly can you sense what is happening in the real world and economy i have to live in? people walked away last night, got a plan and knows what is going on. melissa: carl, we've got to jump. thank you so much for your analysis. >> you bet. thank you. melissa: even the democrats said the president's performance last night was not up to par after all the spin began after the debate. i was glued to my twitter feed. democrats were...
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a pretty good night for mitt romney. expectations were so much higher for the president that he would come out swinging, but mitt romney clearly held his own, and all of the various issues, they went back and forth. we didn't hear some of the attack lines from the president, so many of us were expecting he would be making. neve heard him mention anything about the 47%, the controversial remark that mitt romney made in boca raton in a closed-door fund-raiser, didn't get him into the history at bain capital, exporting jobs. none of the issues of tax returns. spoke about the most important issues, economy, jobs, and all of what's going on. we're going to watch a scientific poll that we're doing right now to get the reaction of what going on, and we're going to see what that scientific poll says about who won this debate. we also had a focus group watching of independent voters, undecided voters who were there watching what was going on as well. mitt romney there with his family and some close associates, he seems to be pret
a pretty good night for mitt romney. expectations were so much higher for the president that he would come out swinging, but mitt romney clearly held his own, and all of the various issues, they went back and forth. we didn't hear some of the attack lines from the president, so many of us were expecting he would be making. neve heard him mention anything about the 47%, the controversial remark that mitt romney made in boca raton in a closed-door fund-raiser, didn't get him into the history at...
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it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people out of the bush recession. hopefully over time once we see numbers moving in the right direction, moody's is projecting 10 million more jobs over next 10 years, i'm sorry over next four years. boston consulting saying will get two million manufacturing jobs over the next couple of years. so these are we're on the right track. these are the metrics that need to be brought up and should have been brought up last night in the debate. >> alan, do you know anybody on food stamps or government assistance, alan? >> i do. yeah. >> okay. and
it did go well for romney last night. most people went in and out of food stamps and in and out of welfare in year-and-a-half. most people don't want to be on the government dole. most people want to work. most people are ambitious is. i don't buy, i'm surprised obama didn't bring up the 47% number last night. i'm surprised he didn't reframe it by saying something like yes, we've had a number of people on entitlements. we've had a number of people on food stamps. we had to do it to get people...
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romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what he said about half the energy companies supported by the obama administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to ju
romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what...
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they had just about given up on romney before last night. they needed -- they really needed romney to do well last night. otherwise, they would have just folded their tent. unfortunately, they got the boost last night that they needed. because romney did breathe new life into the campaign. now for the next week, right it's going to be oh, my god, oh, my god, we gotta bounce now. we didn't get a bounce out of paul ryan or tampa but now yeah romney proved he's up to the task. he showed that he's capable of holding his own against president obama and this is going to re-energize the republicans. just when we had them down for the count we let them back up. off the canvas. should never have done it. should never have let it happened. all right. more calls coming up and we'll talk to reporter from the hill, niles standage in the next segment here of the "full court press." >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." >>and now to my point. that is a whole bunch of bunk! the powerful my steal an election but they cannot steal democracy. (vo) cenk
they had just about given up on romney before last night. they needed -- they really needed romney to do well last night. otherwise, they would have just folded their tent. unfortunately, they got the boost last night that they needed. because romney did breathe new life into the campaign. now for the next week, right it's going to be oh, my god, oh, my god, we gotta bounce now. we didn't get a bounce out of paul ryan or tampa but now yeah romney proved he's up to the task. he showed that he's...
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romney's performance last night really what women want? stay with us. >> but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. >> jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. [ horn honks ] [ male announcer ] you start your day... love you, too. ...thinking about what's important to you -- your family... ...the mortgage... the kids' college tuition. [ cellphone ringing ] but life insurance? [ horn honking ] life is unpredictable. that's why at fidelity life we want you to think about term life insurance -- taking care of your family's future expenses if something happens to you. it's easy. we get to know you and your needs, then give you our best quote and our competitors'. you choose and save up to 70%. that could mean $250,000 of coverage for just $15 a month. we offer plans with no medical exam, and we've been in business for over 100 years. call fidelity life. ♪ or visit fideli
romney's performance last night really what women want? stay with us. >> but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. >> jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. [ horn honks ] [ male announcer ] you start your day... love you, too. ...thinking about what's important to you -- your family... ...the mortgage... the...
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romney's performance last night really what women want? stay with us. >> but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. >> jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. >>> absent from last night's debate were any issues that related particularly to just over half the voting population. that's women. and mr. romney probably thought better than to mention republicans defunding planned parenthood or mandating transvageal ultrasound probes. yet, if you listened closely, women were mentioned at every turn. >> i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arp and she said, i have been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver, and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms. a woman came to me and she said, look, i can't afford insurance for myself or my son. >> joining us here in new york is my colleague crist yal ball, one of the mosts of "the cycl
romney's performance last night really what women want? stay with us. >> but the right answer is not to have the federal government take over health care and start mandating to the providers across america telling a patient and a doctor what kind of treatment they can have. >> jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. >>> absent from last night's debate were any issues that related particularly to just over half the voting population. that's women. and mr....
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mitt romney had 22 bites at this apple before coming to that podium last night. so is this a case of practice really is critical even if you're an eloquent public speaker like the president is? >> right. practice is very important. whether you're a tennis player or a celloist, you got to practice. if you want to be a good debater you have to practice. clearly the sessions the president had with john kerry filling in for mitt romney and his advisers they didn't serve the president well clearly because he wasn't ready for that debate last night. as i was watching it like anyone else watching it, i was saying to myself why isn't he going on the offensive? i moderated four obama debates in the last cycle four years ago including one-on-one debate at the kodak theater with hillary clinton and barack obama, one of their last debates before he won the democratic presidential nomination. you know, he wasn't a fabulous debater but he was solid and when he had to he went after her and went after john edwards and the other democratic candidates but over the past four years
mitt romney had 22 bites at this apple before coming to that podium last night. so is this a case of practice really is critical even if you're an eloquent public speaker like the president is? >> right. practice is very important. whether you're a tennis player or a celloist, you got to practice. if you want to be a good debater you have to practice. clearly the sessions the president had with john kerry filling in for mitt romney and his advisers they didn't serve the president well...
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was last night a good night for mitt romney? yes, it was. bad night for obama? sure. did the president blow a chance to deliver a knockout punch? you better believe it. but really, everything is going to be okay. sure, the president looked bored and defensive, but he didn't say anything sound bitable. he didn't sight, he didn't check his watch, didn't answer in detached and aloof fashion a question about somebody raining and killing his wife. he was not shocking, he was -- i suspect the goal of the night was actually to be mhh and live to fight another day. it's not the greatest strategy i have ever heard but it's not a campaign-ending strategy. we've still got three more debates to go. the next one is next week and it's between joe biden and paul ryan. joe's not going to be afraid to throw some punks around and combat the deceptions about taxes, medicare, social security, and the rest. and the president himself has two more chances to meet romney on the debate field of battle. you can bet that the passive note scribbling guy that showed up last night is not going to
was last night a good night for mitt romney? yes, it was. bad night for obama? sure. did the president blow a chance to deliver a knockout punch? you better believe it. but really, everything is going to be okay. sure, the president looked bored and defensive, but he didn't say anything sound bitable. he didn't sight, he didn't check his watch, didn't answer in detached and aloof fashion a question about somebody raining and killing his wife. he was not shocking, he was -- i suspect the goal of...
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how would you grade mitt romney last night? >> i gave him a full a and i gave obama a c minus and it was kind of a gift. you know, i hate to admit it, but i go all the way back to the 1960 debate, steve. this was the biggest gaffe between an incumbent president's performance and a challenger's performance ever. for those who think 1980 was a bigger gaffe, i i would invite them to go back and see that debate. yes, there was a big gaffe between eggen and carter, but it wasn't this big. >> steve: you're making it sound quite historic. in fact, "wall street journal" says this is the best debate effort by a republican nominee since reagan back in 1980, which would have been 32 years from now. do you think this is going to move the polls, move the meter? >> that's the big question. if you're asking me to guess, and that's all i'm doing this morning, i would say it will move the needle. i have no idea how much. is it a point or two or is it a bunch much points? we're all going to find out in the next wave of polls. i think everybody i
how would you grade mitt romney last night? >> i gave him a full a and i gave obama a c minus and it was kind of a gift. you know, i hate to admit it, but i go all the way back to the 1960 debate, steve. this was the biggest gaffe between an incumbent president's performance and a challenger's performance ever. for those who think 1980 was a bigger gaffe, i i would invite them to go back and see that debate. yes, there was a big gaffe between eggen and carter, but it wasn't this big....
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>> i think it was a great night for mitt romney. i think the doom and gloom that's been hanging over the romney campaign, republicans in general has lifted tonight. i think that the democratic advance which began literally a month ago when clint eastwood walked out on stage ended tonight. i think the race is going to tighten. i think mitt romney was in command of this from the beginning. i'm not sure that he lost an exchange during the entire debate. a startling performance in my view and just the context of how good mitt romney was tonight. >> i thought that in terms of individual exchanges i think what may have been most notable, there wasn't i think a single direct attack against mitt romney from president obama. however, they substantively dealt with policy matters. >> he was looking down tonight. he was passive. he was abstract in his answers. mitt romney was talking about real people, giving real examples. i thought he was clear. he was concise. i think the president was muddled tonight. i just wonder, we talked about this ear
>> i think it was a great night for mitt romney. i think the doom and gloom that's been hanging over the romney campaign, republicans in general has lifted tonight. i think that the democratic advance which began literally a month ago when clint eastwood walked out on stage ended tonight. i think the race is going to tighten. i think mitt romney was in command of this from the beginning. i'm not sure that he lost an exchange during the entire debate. a startling performance in my view and...
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governor romney needed to energize his base. he did that last night. will this have an impact on swing voters? one thing democrats are saying today in the focus groups and dial groups and polling last night looking at swing voters they say there was not a noticeable shift. maybe a few said governor romney was impressive, but they didn't see a big flood toward governor romney. wolf, make no question about this the president went into this debate with a little wind on his back, governor romney comes out having taken that wind away. >> quickly, john, a lot of democrats said to me today they're really worried that the president's lackluster performance last night may have hurt down ticket candidate, senate democrats for example who may be having serious problems. this could energize the republicans in a state like massachusetts, for example, scott brown in his race against elizabeth warren, they're worried that the president's performance last night could hurt some of those vulnerable senate democrats. >> and that is of course the very same dynamic we were
governor romney needed to energize his base. he did that last night. will this have an impact on swing voters? one thing democrats are saying today in the focus groups and dial groups and polling last night looking at swing voters they say there was not a noticeable shift. maybe a few said governor romney was impressive, but they didn't see a big flood toward governor romney. wolf, make no question about this the president went into this debate with a little wind on his back, governor romney...